Schiff Accuses GOP Of Trying To Out Whistleblower When Witness Doesn’t Know Their Identity

REP. JORDAN: Colonel, it’s interesting, we depose a lot of people in the bunker in the basement of the Capitol over the last several weeks, but of all those depositions, only three of the individuals we deposed were actually on the now somewhat famous July 25th phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky. There was you, the individual sitting beside you, Ms. Williams, and then there was, of course, your boss, Mr. Morrison, who I just read from his deposition. When we asked Ms. Williams who she spoke to after the call about the call, she was willing to answer our questions and Chairman Schiff allowed her to answer our questions. When we asked Mr. Morrison, who he spoke to after the call about the call, he was willing to answer our question and Chairman Schiff allowed him to answer our question. But when we ask you, you first told us three individuals at the NSC, your brother and the two lawyers. And then you said there was a group of other people you communicated with, but you would only give us one individual in that group, Secretary Kent, and the Chairman would only allow you to give us that name. When we asked who else you communicated with, you would not tell us. So I want to know, first, how many other people are in that group of people you communicated with outside the four individuals I  just named?

VINDMAN: Mr. Jordan, on call readout, certainly after the first call, there were probably half a dozen or more people that I read out. Those are people with the proper clearance and the need to know. In this case, because of the sensitivity of the call and Mr. Sisenberg told me not to speak to anybody else, I only readout, outside of the NSC, two individuals.

REP. JORDAN: Two individuals.

VINDMAN: That’s Kent and one other person.

REP. JORDAN: And you’re not willing to tell us who that other individual is?

ATTORNEY: Mr. Chairman, point of order.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF: Gentleman will suspend. Counsel.

ATTORNEY: Mr. Chairman, I would ask you to enforce the rule with regard to the disclosure with regard to the intelligence officer.

REP. SCHIFF: Thank you, Counsel. You know as I indicated before, this committee will not be used to out the whistleblower. That same necessity–

REP. JORDAN: First, stop the time so I don’t lose the time.

REP. SCHIFF: You are recognized again, Mr. Jordan.

REP. JORDAN: Mr. Chairman, I don’t see how this is outing the whistleblower. The witness has testified in his deposition that he doesn’t know who the whistleblower is. You have said, even though no one believes you, you have said you don’t know who the whistleblower is. So how is this outing the whistleblower to find out who this individual is?

REP. SCHIFF: Mr. Jordan, this is your time for questioning, you can use it any way you like, but your question should be addressed to the witness and your question should not be addressed to trying to out the whistleblower.