LEIGH ANN CALDWELL: Well, the big headline is that Republicans continue to hang everything on Ambassador Volker. Hold on, we have Mark Meadows right here, Congressman Meadows, can we talk — he’s walking by right now. Republicans are struggling to defend the President — oh, great.
REP. MARK MEADOWS: The Republicans are not struggling on anything.
CALDWELL: Congressman, there is one person who has testified there was no quid pro quo. Many others have said there is. How do you justify that and how do you continue to defend the President?
REP. MEADOWS: Well, there is more than one. There is one in terms of thedeposition being released, which is Ambassador Volker’s yesterday. And even with Ambassador Sondland, he said he doesn’t know why the aid was held up, still doesn’t know, and certainly from that standpoint there was no quid pro quo.
CALDWELL: But Sondland told — came in and revised his testimony, said that he told a Ukrainian top official to tell Zelensky that the aid was being withheld until there was an investigation.
REP. MEADOWS: No, what he told was that that was his presumption. If you read it, I’ve read it very carefully, I’ve read the allegations that are there. One, he said that he didn’t know, and that was his presumption. Any time that anyone talks to the President, he has been very clear, there is no linkage, there is no quid pro quo, and to suggest otherwise goes against a lot of other testimony that we’ve already heard.
CALDWELL: Big picture, is it going to be more difficult, is it getting more difficult to defend this President as more of these testimonies come out?
REP. MEADOWS: No. In fact, the testimony we’re hearing today, it’s actually getting easier to defend the President from a standpoint there is no linkage between aid — in fact what we’re hearing today is this is part of a broader analysis of foreign aid in general in terms of what we should do. It wasn’t just Ukraine where the aid was held up.